EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: Second Opinion - Second-Class Soldiers : Why our babudom continues to be given preOROP- A FEAST ON SPOILS
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nairference over our defence services - By Jug Suraiya
Thursday, November 3, 2016
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: Second Opinion - Second-Class Soldiers : Why our babudom continues to be given preference over our defence services - By Jug Suraiya
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: Second Opinion - Second-Class Soldiers : Why our babudom continues to be given preOROP- A FEAST ON SPOILS
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nairference over our defence services - By Jug Suraiya
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nairference over our defence services - By Jug Suraiya
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: Second Opinion - Second-Class Soldiers : Why our babudom continues to be given preference over our defence services - By Jug Suraiya
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: Second Opinion - Second-Class Soldiers : Why our babudom continues to be given preference over our defOROP- A FEAST ON SPOILS
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nairence services - By Jug Suraiya
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nairence services - By Jug Suraiya
OROP- A FEAST ON SPOILS
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nair
The suicide of Vn.Sub.RK Grewal has produced some memorable stage performances by politicians of all hues. The theatrical histrionics exhibited by politicians on the death of a veteran beats performances of established thespians on stage. The tragic incident got converted into a melodramatic magnum opus just because frustrated political parties lead by netas who lost credibility wanted to extract as much mileage as possible out of this tragic happening.
All players involved in the drama were unanimous on one point that the sad incident happened because the Govt. did not implement OROP. Arvind Kejriwal accused the PM of lying about OROP. We have also seen statements similar to this, rather blatant lies paraded as gospel truth, coming from many other leaders of varying degrees of importance which to mention a few include ,S/sri Rahul, Surjewala, Hooda, Somnath, Raghav Chadda, etc.
Before analyzing their statements let us find out whether OROP has been implemented or not.
There can be-( there are-) difference of opinion on certain points like whether it is done in accordance with the recommendation of Hoshiary Committee – or equalization criterion is resolved etc. Accepting that these anomalies do exist one has to accede that the Govt. has done justice to veterans to a large extend . The anomalies have been studied and probably addressed by OMJC and the report of the commission is now with MoD. The leaders of the agitators with political ambitions may differ with this view but a Jawan who has struggled to make both end meet till a couple of years ago will say that he is now in a better financial position due to the implementation OROP. He will feel more satisfied if OMJC resolves the anomalies. The arrears accruing out of Delinking of QS for full pension further will ameliorate his financial stature.
It is an undisputed statement of fact that it is the present Govt which gave this relief to veterans. To say this with conviction one need not be the supporter of the political party in power. An objective mind is all that you need.
Arvind Kejriwal, the PM did not lie to the nation but being a congenital liar, YOU ARE. Do you think you can redeem your diminishing credibility by these gimmicks. You can deceive your coterie for some time-, even they are deserting you- but not general discerning public all times.
Before going into the veracity of the uttering of others let us examine how genuine is the reason given by the late veteran for his extreme action. The reason he gave, according to reports ,that he was not given OROP. If that was correct how was he drawing over Rs.22,000/-as pension? He may not have got his second pension for the period of service in territorial army. From the reports available there was an error in calculation at the end of PDA. How can this can be attributed to non implementation of OROP. Late Grewalji may have faced difficulties with bank and PCDA but his individual case does not deserve to be categorised as non implementation of OROP for veterans. I may get flaks from different quarters for this view but I am convinced that truth must not be distorted. I say this with all respect to the veteran who is not with us anymore.
He had experienced, for sure, innumerable obstacles when fighting to get his legal entitlement. But does it mean that OROP is denied to veterans as alleged by Kejriwal - Rahul combine?
There are over 2 million ESM in India. There can naturally be a percentage of error while dealing with this mammoth volume. He could have waited for some more time till the anomalies are addressed by the commission. We have waited for 43 years to get something like the present OROP another a few weeks or months would not have made much difference. Alas, he thought differently. May his soul RIP.
Rahuljee is the most worried person in South East Asia. Generations on, his family has been fighting for the right of the armed forces. From 1973 onwards successive govt. led by the stalwarts of his family gave OROP and raised the status of defence forces to unimaginable heights; and the happiest fighting men pleaded to the powers that be to lower the privilege and perks to a level little below that of poor bureaucrats. Having achieved all these now Rahuljee is sleepless because Modi has curtailed all these privileges to the ESM. How cruel on the part of MODI ?!!!
Rahul Zindabad will restore all the lost glory to ex servicemen. Grinning ear to ear in a condolence event is the best way to achieve this . Surjewalajee please sing hallelujah to your hypocrite leader. OROP is synonym for Rahul jee.
Coming to Surjewala jee. He said he knew Late RK Grewal who was a congress man and during the late veteran’s last conversation with his son he purportedly told that he was ending his life for the cause of ex servicemen.This conversation was recorded by the son of the deseased. Surjewala also ventilated his anger towards Modi jee for not implementing OROP which was sanctioned by UPA. Do you know the meaning of OROP, Mr. Surjewala. What did the Govt. of your party do for 40 years ? on OROP? Instead you cut down pension from 75% to 50%, down graded status of COAS from 2nd to 12 th in warrant of precedence and for all we care you can sing OROP Rahul Zindabad. Please do not fool the people. Ask the Ex service men they will tell you what Modijee has done for them.
Raghav Chadda says that the ESM sacrificed his life fighting the enemy and hence given status of a martyr. who is the enemy? According to Chadda, The Prime Minister of India. Mr.Chadda do you understand the seriousness of the allusion you have made ? Do you know what a soldier who fights against the PM who heads the Govt is called? You have accused and insulted the late ex soldier of a great crime. You must apologise to the Ex Servicemen Community unconditionally and wow never to speak on matters of Defence hereafter.
A statement made by Gen.VK Singh is given a different color by Somnath Bharthy and and others. His statement that what was his mental state when he took the decision is interpreted by Bharthy and others as terming him to be of unsound of mind. The mental status of a person deciding to end life will definitely be abnormal but necessarily do not mean unsound. If Bharthy and co wants to interpret it as unsound they should undergo a psychiatric evaluation.
The events following the incidents such as his funeral and the drama followed after that shows the real motive behind this drama. Kejriwal rushes immediately to JNU to spew venom on PM and Rahul stages another candle light farce at JM.
Enough is enough as regards OROP. Majority of ESM are satisfied. Anomalies are being looked into. Please leave it at that DO NOT POLITICISE THE ISSUE. Politicians KEEP OFF.
Suffice to say that there seem to be much more than what meets the eye in the suicide and the events following it.
Every Shylock wants his pound of flesh. The whole episode reminds me of a remark by the great Malayalam Poet Satirist, the great Kunjan Nambiar, when witnessing the unveiling of a pillar like multilayered oil lamp “ It is magnificent, but we must also be compensated with money”
Vultures vie each other feasting on corpse.
What ever anyone may say it is ADVANTAGE MODI now.
I was just concluding this writeup when I happened to watch Karan Thapar’s interview of Gen. Kadiyan/Raghav Chadda/Manish Tiwari.
Chadda had to admit that Arvind’s declaration “PM is lying on OROP” had to be swallowed by him and he had to admit that OROP is implemented but not in full.
Manish could not defend the accusation that Rahul refused to help on orop when the Gen. with other two Generals met him in 2010. Manish had to say that Generals statement is one sided and had to be corroborated by Rahul
An abject surrender by both before the razor edge questioning of Karan.
What low we have stooped ?
As mentioned above I may have to face broadside fire for this write up.
Vn JWO Sukumaran Nair
Tuesday, October 11, 2016
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: PROVIDE PROOF OF SURGICAL STRIKES? TO WHOM? HOW ARE THEY CONCERNED? NEITHER RESPONSIBLE NOR ACCOUNTABLE.
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: PROVIDE PROOF OF SURGICAL STRIKES? TO WHOM? HOW ARE THEY CONCERNED? NEITHER RESPONSIBLE NOR ACCOUNTABLE.
comment on the post by achuthan raghavan
Sukumaran Nair The intelligence intercept of leaked war room briefing “operation saboot”is incomplete. Perhaps the person monitoring the communication network was not conversant with the colloquial conversational language of the region. I am filling the unrecorded portion of transcript. There was heavy disturbance due to “electopol”(election related political mudslinging)during the monitoring. However, by virtue of my experience I have been able to record many garbled portion which I am recording below.
CO. as new policy decision we have to take along with us some liberals, belonging to Left, Right… (interrupted)
Captain. Sir, will not enemy hear the sound of boots.
Co. Shut up captain and listen. I mean leaders from parties belonging to Left, Right and Centre
Maj. How can we identify these groups?
Co. That is good question Major. Simple way is if you hear the word “Dalali” spoken it is from right. At times you may hear words like “land, herald, bail” etc interspersed also. Some one might say “talk, peace, hurry or Hurry- at -Ghee –lan” or anything mumbled, it will be from Left. Leader shouting “ we did it, we did it, my advice prove pak lie“ you can confirm that is from others included in the mission. Please Pay special attention to FM (don’t mistake for finance minister FM here means Foul Mouthed special class to show evidence and make sure there is “BLOOD” visible and PB-not polit bureau but peace broker .Am I clear
In chorus . YES SSURRR
CO. Good. Now the most important point. You must ensure all wanting sabot must be forcibly taken along with commandos and see that the FM,PB left right etc carry portable commodes.
Co. Last but not the least Pak DGMO must be requested to provide irrefutable evidence of strike
Thank you boys get set and go
comment on the post by achuthan raghavan
Sukumaran Nair The intelligence intercept of leaked war room briefing “operation saboot”is incomplete. Perhaps the person monitoring the communication network was not conversant with the colloquial conversational language of the region. I am filling the unrecorded portion of transcript. There was heavy disturbance due to “electopol”(election related political mudslinging)during the monitoring. However, by virtue of my experience I have been able to record many garbled portion which I am recording below.
CO. as new policy decision we have to take along with us some liberals, belonging to Left, Right… (interrupted)
Captain. Sir, will not enemy hear the sound of boots.
Co. Shut up captain and listen. I mean leaders from parties belonging to Left, Right and Centre
Maj. How can we identify these groups?
Co. That is good question Major. Simple way is if you hear the word “Dalali” spoken it is from right. At times you may hear words like “land, herald, bail” etc interspersed also. Some one might say “talk, peace, hurry or Hurry- at -Ghee –lan” or anything mumbled, it will be from Left. Leader shouting “ we did it, we did it, my advice prove pak lie“ you can confirm that is from others included in the mission. Please Pay special attention to FM (don’t mistake for finance minister FM here means Foul Mouthed special class to show evidence and make sure there is “BLOOD” visible and PB-not polit bureau but peace broker .Am I clear
In chorus . YES SSURRR
CO. Good. Now the most important point. You must ensure all wanting sabot must be forcibly taken along with commandos and see that the FM,PB left right etc carry portable commodes.
Co. Last but not the least Pak DGMO must be requested to provide irrefutable evidence of strike
Thank you boys get set and go
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: PROVIDE PROOF OF SURGICAL STRIKES? TO WHOM? HOW ARE THEY CONCERNED? NEITHER RESPONSIBLE NOR ACCOUNTABLE.
EX-SERVICEMEN WELFARE: PROVIDE PROOF OF SURGICAL STRIKES? TO WHOM? HOW ARE TBelow is a post by air veteran Achuthan Raghavan. It shows the general disgust about the dirty politicking going around on Surgical Strike by Indian Army
Operation "Saboot".[?][?][?][?]
Following is a leaked transcript of briefing for the ‘Operation Saboot’ – a televised strike in P0K to make sure so-called liberals and opposition leaders are happy and satisfied.
Commanding Officer: At ease, officers. We have been tasked to do another mission, another strike inside Pakistan. And it gives me immense pride to inform that our unit has been selected for the task.
Cries of “Yesss…”, “Je Baat.. “ and other exultations filled the room.
Commanding Officer (over the din): Important thing is that strategic objectives have changed. Colonel XXXXXX from our Media Relations Cell has come to brief us about it.
Colonel: The objective of this strike is to provide a video, audio, pictorial & documentary evidence of the strike, clearly demonstrating that Indian commandos began from Indian soil, crossed Line of Control, went across to Pakistan, struck the terrorist camps and came back to unit HQ, in India.
Major: And I suppose you are going to tell us how to do it?
Colonel: Sure I do. Here it is. There are several sub objectives of the strike, I explain in chronological order and you can ask question after each one.
First task is to establish that the strike or raid emanated from India, the operative word here, is documentary proof. Operation begins with the unit watching the movie ‘Border’ and rejoicing when Sunny Deol uproots that hand pump when you get the call for mission briefing. That would irrevocably prove that you began from Indian territory.
Second task is to prove that you crossed the Line of Control.
Captain: That should be easy, we can show the barbed wire fence and the Pakistani towers across it.
Colonel: No. We need to establish beyond doubt. Barbed wire & towers can be disputed and claimed to be staged. So, find the NDTV reporter lurking around LOC and ask him to confirm that this is LOC. No one would be able to deny that.
Next is to prove that you are in Pakistani territory. On your way, enter a village, any house would do, ask for their identification. Only government identification would do, no identity cards issued by private organizations, schools, colleges or any such. Obtain two copies of the proof, get it attested by the Gazetted Officer to establish the nationality of the Pakistani.
Major: Errr… Where would we get a Gazetted Officer?
Colonel: He would be accompanying you.
Colonel: Next is to get to a terrorist camp, catch hold of two terrorists, obtain a confession from one that he is a terrorist, get it printed on an affidavit, get the same verified by the Oath Commissioner. Second terrorist has to sign as a witness.
Major: Why affidavit? He is a terrorist, na?
Colonel: You know that, terrorist knows that. But who else would believe it?
Major: Where would we get a … Okay, forget the question. Carry on.
Colonel: It is important that you don’t use force to obtain the confession; you appeal to his conscience, his feelings of brotherhood & humanity, his craving for peace, development, his children’s need for education and jobs to obtain his confession. Any use of force would negate the moral ground we wish to claim.
Also please ensure that the reasons given by terrorist for becoming one are poverty, lack of economic opportunities etc. Even family disputes would do, but ensure that there is no religious bend given to affidavits. We need a secular confession, not a bigoted one.
It is also important that you take group photographs of the unit with terrorists, for the sake of secondary evidence.
Final act before you get out. Go to a post office, send a packet of pictures taken, one copies of affidavits, identity proofs by registered post to United Nations Military Observer Group for India Pakistan, stationed in Kashmir so that they can directly observe the evidence. Please obtain a receipt.
And then, come back home.
Colonel (continued): Now, on composition of teams:
Each commando would be accompanied by two video photographers, one still photographer, one lightman, one audio expert, one oath commissioner, one first class gazetted officer, one judge of sessions court, their assistants, attendants and orderlies. Any questions?
Captain: (sarcastically) Any other requirement, sir?
Colonel: Yes. The composition of the team; it has to have proportional representation, from upper castes, dalits, backward classes, minorities etc. We can’t be questioned on our commitment to social justice.
Major: Do you think that while doing all this, carrying a cavalcade of civilians along, in such inhospitable terrain, in enemy territory, at night, we won’t be discovered? Pakis would find us in minutes and wipe us out.
Colonel: It hardly makes a difference. No one asked you to join the Army, you did because you could not get another job. Didn’t you?
Major: Did you not miss the important part, Colonel? About eliminating the terrorists?
Colonel: Well, that is left to your discretion. Killing terrorists is not the primary objective. You may, if you are so inclined. Just ensure that no one from a family belonging to a school headmaster is among those you neutralize. And don’t kill anyone without an confession under oath, taken in presence of a Judge.
Captain: But why go to such lengths to prove that we did a strike? We can simply leave such a huge pile of dead terrorists that Pakistan cannot refute the claim.
Colonel: You are missing the point completely, officer.
Pakistan believes you. They know you can decimate them when you want.
It is India who does not believe you. The objective of this mission is to convince IndiansHEY CONCERNED? NEITHER RESPONSIBLE NOR ACCOUNTABLE.
Monday, September 19, 2016
LEFT IS NOT RIGHT ON KASHMIR
THE ALL PARTY “ONE ACT” PLAY ENDED ALMOST AS EXPECTED BUT FOR THE “THUMB ON THE NOSE” FINAL ACT.
THE “NOT IN THE SCRIPT” VISIT TO THE SEPARATISTS WAS THE FIRST “NOT RIGHT” ACTION OF THE LEFT, MIDDLE AND EXTREME COMPRISING S/SRI YECHURI/ RAJA, YADAV AND Jb.OWAISI.
THE CARDINAL OMISSION ON THE PART OF COM.YECHURY AND CO WAS THEIR FAILURE TO TAKE NOTE OF THE MESSAGE SENT BY SAYED SALHUDDIN FROM POK TO THE “STAKE HOLDERS” (ACCORDING TO THE FOURSOME) IN THE VALLEY TO MAKE KASHMIR THE GRAVE YARD OF INDIAN SECURITY PERSONNEL AND THE DICTAT FORBIDDING SEPARATISTS TO TALK TO ALL PARTY DELEGATION. YET, THE HYPER CONCERNED “LEFT” WENT AHEAD AND GOT WHAT EVERYONE EXPECTED WOULD HAPPEN A BLOODY NOSE .
FOR A NORMAL PERSON THE ADJECTIVE “STAKE HOLDERS” ELUDES COMPREHENSION WHEN APPLIED TO AVOWED CESSATIONISTS LIKE GILAANI, MIR WAIZE, MALIK ETC. THEY WANT KASHMIR TO BE SEPARATED FROM INDIA AND CEDED TO PAKISTAN AND UNEQUIVOCALLY PROCLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT INDIANS BUT PAKISTANIS; YET THEY ARE CALLED “STAKE HOLDERS”. WHAT A STUNNING PARADOXICAL LOGIC ?.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE “APD” ARE OF THE VIEW WITHOUT EXCEPTION THAT PEACE MUST BE RESTORED IN THE VALLEY. NONE WILL DIFFER WITH THIS VIEW; BUT LOOK AT THE SOLUTION OFFERED.
MOST OF THE MEMBERS RAISED THEMSELVES TO A PLATONIC PEDESTAL AND ROLLED OUT PLACABLY PLACATING GEMS OF ADVICES LIKE “ TAKE CONFIDENCE BUILDING MEASURES, TALK TO ALL, INITIATE POLITICAL DIALOGUE ETC BUT CLEVERLY AVOIDED SPELLING OUT SPECIFICS. MOST OF THE SPECIFIC MEASURES SUGGESTED BY SOME ARE AT THE BEST SUITED FOR COMEDY SHOWS BECAUSE THEY ARE ABSURD AND IMPRACTICABLE. WE HAVE BEEN HEARING RHYMING RHETORIC LIKE “UNINTERRUPTED AND UNINTERRUPTABLE DIALOGUE WITH PAK” “ COMPREHENSIVE DIALOGUE WITH PAKISTAN” “TALK TO ALL STAKE HOLDERS INCLUDING SEPARATISTS” “WITHDRAW AFSPA FROM CIVILIAN AREAS” “STOP USING PELLETS” ET AL SINCE YEARS. ALL OF THESE ARE WELL INTENTIONED AND SWEET SOUNDING BUT UNDOUBTEDLY IMPRACTICABLE.
LET US ANALYSE EACH OF THE ABOVE: WHEN EVER ATTEMPTS WERE MADE TO INITIATE DIALOGUE WITH PAKISTAN, WE HAVE WITNESSED, THWARTING TACTICS DESIGNED BY ISI, LIKE MUMBAI, PATHANKOT, CROSS BORDER VIOLATION ETC .
WHAT WOULD ANYONE EXPECT TO EXUDE FROM A COMPREHENSIVE DIALOGUE? WILL PAKISTAN CHANGE THEIR STAND ON KASHMIR AND ACCEPT KASHMIR’S ACCESSION TO THE UNION OF INDIA FINAL AND VACATE THE TERRITORY ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED BY THEM?
OR
INDIA WILL AGREE FOR A PLEBISCITE ? GIVE AUTONOMY TO J & K ? STOP SAYING J & K IS INTEGRAL PART OF INDIA?
EVEN THE INCREDIBLY NAÏVE WOULD NOT IMAGINE SUCH A SCENARIO. SO MUCH FOR THE “DIALOGUE”
AS FOR THE “TALK WITH STAKE HOLDERS” I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE WHY HURRIYAT CANNOT BE STAKEHOLDER.
WITHDRAWAL OF AFSPA WILL SPELL DOOM. THE DAY IT IS REVOKED, WE CAN BE SURE, THAT THE SEPARATIST WILL GIVE CALL FOR UNCHECKED LOOT AND ARSON, INFILTRATORS WILL HAVE UNRESTRAINED MOBILITY AND LOGISTIC SUPPORT, “IS” WILL EXTEND ITS TENTACLES WITH THE ACTIVE ASSISTANCE OF WAHABI RADICAL ISLAMISTS LEADING TO ANNIHILATION OF NON ISLAMIC MINORITIES IN THE VALLEY. IF THIS HAPPENS EVERYTHING LIKE KASHMIRIATH, SOOFIYISM, UNIQUE KASHMIRI CULTURE OF UNRESTRAINED INTER RELIGIOUS INTERACTION WHICH IS EVEN NOW DISCERNIBLE DURING AMARNATH YATRA WILL DISAPPEAR FOREVER AND LOST IRRETRIEVABLY.
LET US LOOK AT OTHER VIEWS EXPRESSED BY SOME NETAS.
ONE NETA ASKS “IF WE CAN HAVE AN ACCORD WITH NAGAS WHY IS IT NOT POSSIBLE IN J & K?” HE CONVENIENTLY FORGETS THAT NAGAS WERE WILLING TO MEET HALF WAY WHICH FACILITATED AN ACCORD AND THAT IS NOT THE GROUND REALITY IN J & K. THE TROUBLE IN THE VALLEY IS ENGINEERED BY PAKISTAN WITH MONEY AND MUSCLE IN CLOSE AND ACTIVE COLLUSION OF SEPARATISTS BENT UPON PREVENTING ESTABLISHING NORMALCY IN THE VALLEY. SO THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO REGIONS.
USE OF PELLET GUNS HAS COME FOR SEVERE CRITICISM FROM MANY QUARTERS. OVER 75 PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES. BUT, CAN WE BLAME SECURITY PERSONNEL FOR THIS?
SECURITY PERSONNEL DID NOT INVITE THOSE UNFORTUNATE 12 AND 13 YEAR OLD CHILDREN TO BE PRACTICE TARGET IN THE ROUTINE FIRING RANGE EXERCISE. THEY WERE LURED AND INSTIGATED BY OFFERING MONETARY ENTICEMENTS BY GEELANI AND CO
WHEN LETHAL MISSILES ARE DIRECTED AT THE SECURITY FORCE WE CANNOT EXPECT THEM TO RETALIATE WITH ROSE PETALS.
THEN WHAT IS THE SOLUTION FOR THE KASHMIR IMPASSE?
YOU MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE BUT MY PERSONAL VIEWS ARE:
A ) WITHDRAW ALL PERSONAL PROTECTION EXTENDED TO THEM SUCH AS PSO, J & K POLICE
B ) CANCEL TRAVEL CONCESSION – FREE AIR TICKETS DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN- FREE FUEL FOR CONVEYANCE- FREE ACCOMMODATION IN STAR HOTELS-PREVENT THEIR FREQUENT JAUNTS TO PAK HIGH COMMISSION. WHY SPENT OVER 100 Cr PER YEAR ON THEM TO ABUSE US WITH IMPUNITY
C)FREEZE THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS
D)BLOCK ALL HAWALA ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY RECEIVE MONEY FROM PAKISTAN AND OTHER SOURCES
E)IMPOSE RESTRICTION ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITIES JAM THEIR MOBILE PHONES, CURB MERCILESSLY THE ACTIVITIES OF “IS” SYMPATHISERS. SHOOT THOSE WHO FLAUNT PAK AND “IS” FLAGS ON FRIDAYS
F)HAVE STRICT CONTROL OVER MADRASSAS WHERE SALAFI ISLAMIC RADICALIZATION AND THEORIZATION IS INDOCTRINATED EVEN IN INFANTS.
THE ALL PARTY “ONE ACT” PLAY ENDED ALMOST AS EXPECTED BUT FOR THE “THUMB ON THE NOSE” FINAL ACT.
THE “NOT IN THE SCRIPT” VISIT TO THE SEPARATISTS WAS THE FIRST “NOT RIGHT” ACTION OF THE LEFT, MIDDLE AND EXTREME COMPRISING S/SRI YECHURI/ RAJA, YADAV AND Jb.OWAISI.
THE CARDINAL OMISSION ON THE PART OF COM.YECHURY AND CO WAS THEIR FAILURE TO TAKE NOTE OF THE MESSAGE SENT BY SAYED SALHUDDIN FROM POK TO THE “STAKE HOLDERS” (ACCORDING TO THE FOURSOME) IN THE VALLEY TO MAKE KASHMIR THE GRAVE YARD OF INDIAN SECURITY PERSONNEL AND THE DICTAT FORBIDDING SEPARATISTS TO TALK TO ALL PARTY DELEGATION. YET, THE HYPER CONCERNED “LEFT” WENT AHEAD AND GOT WHAT EVERYONE EXPECTED WOULD HAPPEN A BLOODY NOSE .
FOR A NORMAL PERSON THE ADJECTIVE “STAKE HOLDERS” ELUDES COMPREHENSION WHEN APPLIED TO AVOWED CESSATIONISTS LIKE GILAANI, MIR WAIZE, MALIK ETC. THEY WANT KASHMIR TO BE SEPARATED FROM INDIA AND CEDED TO PAKISTAN AND UNEQUIVOCALLY PROCLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT INDIANS BUT PAKISTANIS; YET THEY ARE CALLED “STAKE HOLDERS”. WHAT A STUNNING PARADOXICAL LOGIC ?.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE “APD” ARE OF THE VIEW WITHOUT EXCEPTION THAT PEACE MUST BE RESTORED IN THE VALLEY. NONE WILL DIFFER WITH THIS VIEW; BUT LOOK AT THE SOLUTION OFFERED.
MOST OF THE MEMBERS RAISED THEMSELVES TO A PLATONIC PEDESTAL AND ROLLED OUT PLACABLY PLACATING GEMS OF ADVICES LIKE “ TAKE CONFIDENCE BUILDING MEASURES, TALK TO ALL, INITIATE POLITICAL DIALOGUE ETC BUT CLEVERLY AVOIDED SPELLING OUT SPECIFICS. MOST OF THE SPECIFIC MEASURES SUGGESTED BY SOME ARE AT THE BEST SUITED FOR COMEDY SHOWS BECAUSE THEY ARE ABSURD AND IMPRACTICABLE. WE HAVE BEEN HEARING RHYMING RHETORIC LIKE “UNINTERRUPTED AND UNINTERRUPTABLE DIALOGUE WITH PAK” “ COMPREHENSIVE DIALOGUE WITH PAKISTAN” “TALK TO ALL STAKE HOLDERS INCLUDING SEPARATISTS” “WITHDRAW AFSPA FROM CIVILIAN AREAS” “STOP USING PELLETS” ET AL SINCE YEARS. ALL OF THESE ARE WELL INTENTIONED AND SWEET SOUNDING BUT UNDOUBTEDLY IMPRACTICABLE.
LET US ANALYSE EACH OF THE ABOVE: WHEN EVER ATTEMPTS WERE MADE TO INITIATE DIALOGUE WITH PAKISTAN, WE HAVE WITNESSED, THWARTING TACTICS DESIGNED BY ISI, LIKE MUMBAI, PATHANKOT, CROSS BORDER VIOLATION ETC .
WHAT WOULD ANYONE EXPECT TO EXUDE FROM A COMPREHENSIVE DIALOGUE? WILL PAKISTAN CHANGE THEIR STAND ON KASHMIR AND ACCEPT KASHMIR’S ACCESSION TO THE UNION OF INDIA FINAL AND VACATE THE TERRITORY ILLEGALLY OCCUPIED BY THEM?
OR
INDIA WILL AGREE FOR A PLEBISCITE ? GIVE AUTONOMY TO J & K ? STOP SAYING J & K IS INTEGRAL PART OF INDIA?
EVEN THE INCREDIBLY NAÏVE WOULD NOT IMAGINE SUCH A SCENARIO. SO MUCH FOR THE “DIALOGUE”
AS FOR THE “TALK WITH STAKE HOLDERS” I HAVE EXPLAINED ABOVE WHY HURRIYAT CANNOT BE STAKEHOLDER.
WITHDRAWAL OF AFSPA WILL SPELL DOOM. THE DAY IT IS REVOKED, WE CAN BE SURE, THAT THE SEPARATIST WILL GIVE CALL FOR UNCHECKED LOOT AND ARSON, INFILTRATORS WILL HAVE UNRESTRAINED MOBILITY AND LOGISTIC SUPPORT, “IS” WILL EXTEND ITS TENTACLES WITH THE ACTIVE ASSISTANCE OF WAHABI RADICAL ISLAMISTS LEADING TO ANNIHILATION OF NON ISLAMIC MINORITIES IN THE VALLEY. IF THIS HAPPENS EVERYTHING LIKE KASHMIRIATH, SOOFIYISM, UNIQUE KASHMIRI CULTURE OF UNRESTRAINED INTER RELIGIOUS INTERACTION WHICH IS EVEN NOW DISCERNIBLE DURING AMARNATH YATRA WILL DISAPPEAR FOREVER AND LOST IRRETRIEVABLY.
LET US LOOK AT OTHER VIEWS EXPRESSED BY SOME NETAS.
ONE NETA ASKS “IF WE CAN HAVE AN ACCORD WITH NAGAS WHY IS IT NOT POSSIBLE IN J & K?” HE CONVENIENTLY FORGETS THAT NAGAS WERE WILLING TO MEET HALF WAY WHICH FACILITATED AN ACCORD AND THAT IS NOT THE GROUND REALITY IN J & K. THE TROUBLE IN THE VALLEY IS ENGINEERED BY PAKISTAN WITH MONEY AND MUSCLE IN CLOSE AND ACTIVE COLLUSION OF SEPARATISTS BENT UPON PREVENTING ESTABLISHING NORMALCY IN THE VALLEY. SO THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO REGIONS.
USE OF PELLET GUNS HAS COME FOR SEVERE CRITICISM FROM MANY QUARTERS. OVER 75 PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES. BUT, CAN WE BLAME SECURITY PERSONNEL FOR THIS?
SECURITY PERSONNEL DID NOT INVITE THOSE UNFORTUNATE 12 AND 13 YEAR OLD CHILDREN TO BE PRACTICE TARGET IN THE ROUTINE FIRING RANGE EXERCISE. THEY WERE LURED AND INSTIGATED BY OFFERING MONETARY ENTICEMENTS BY GEELANI AND CO
WHEN LETHAL MISSILES ARE DIRECTED AT THE SECURITY FORCE WE CANNOT EXPECT THEM TO RETALIATE WITH ROSE PETALS.
THEN WHAT IS THE SOLUTION FOR THE KASHMIR IMPASSE?
YOU MAY AGREE OR DISAGREE BUT MY PERSONAL VIEWS ARE:
A ) WITHDRAW ALL PERSONAL PROTECTION EXTENDED TO THEM SUCH AS PSO, J & K POLICE
B ) CANCEL TRAVEL CONCESSION – FREE AIR TICKETS DOMESTIC AND FOREIGN- FREE FUEL FOR CONVEYANCE- FREE ACCOMMODATION IN STAR HOTELS-PREVENT THEIR FREQUENT JAUNTS TO PAK HIGH COMMISSION. WHY SPENT OVER 100 Cr PER YEAR ON THEM TO ABUSE US WITH IMPUNITY
C)FREEZE THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS
D)BLOCK ALL HAWALA ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY RECEIVE MONEY FROM PAKISTAN AND OTHER SOURCES
E)IMPOSE RESTRICTION ON THEIR SOCIAL MEDIA ACTIVITIES JAM THEIR MOBILE PHONES, CURB MERCILESSLY THE ACTIVITIES OF “IS” SYMPATHISERS. SHOOT THOSE WHO FLAUNT PAK AND “IS” FLAGS ON FRIDAYS
F)HAVE STRICT CONTROL OVER MADRASSAS WHERE SALAFI ISLAMIC RADICALIZATION AND THEORIZATION IS INDOCTRINATED EVEN IN INFANTS.
G)SELECT YOUNGSTERS TO UNDERGO SKILLED TRADESMENSHIP AND GIVE THEM EMPLOYMENT IN DIFFERENT STATES IN INDIA SO THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT IS INDIA AND INDIAN CULTURE.
H) REHABILITATE EXILED KASHMIRI PANDITS IN THE VALLEY ON PRIORITY
I) ENGAGE IN INCESSANT PROPAGANDA MEASURES TO EDUCATE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT THE PERILS OF ENCOURAGING SEPARATISTS. USE SOCIAL MEDIA INTENSIVELY AND EFFECTIVELY FOR THIS PURPOSE.
OUR PM HAS NOW SHOWN US THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING BOLD BY HIS OPEN CRITICISM OF PAKISTAN IN INTERNATIONAL FORUMS LIKE G-20 AND ASEAN. NO PM TILL NOW HAD THE GUTS TO CALL THE SPADE A SPADE WITHOUT MINCING WORDS AND THAT IS SHOWING RESULTS.
H) REHABILITATE EXILED KASHMIRI PANDITS IN THE VALLEY ON PRIORITY
I) ENGAGE IN INCESSANT PROPAGANDA MEASURES TO EDUCATE GENERAL PUBLIC ABOUT THE PERILS OF ENCOURAGING SEPARATISTS. USE SOCIAL MEDIA INTENSIVELY AND EFFECTIVELY FOR THIS PURPOSE.
OUR PM HAS NOW SHOWN US THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING BOLD BY HIS OPEN CRITICISM OF PAKISTAN IN INTERNATIONAL FORUMS LIKE G-20 AND ASEAN. NO PM TILL NOW HAD THE GUTS TO CALL THE SPADE A SPADE WITHOUT MINCING WORDS AND THAT IS SHOWING RESULTS.
STRONG MEASURES MEND WORSE SITUATIONS.
THE HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVISTS WILL MAKE A HUE AND CRY ; LET THEM. THEY WILL NOT UNDERSTAND THE FEELING OF THE SOLDIER WHEN HE FACES MISSILES OF DESTRUCTION AIMED AT HIM TILL THESE ARM CHAIR ACTIVISTS ENSCONCED IN AIR CONDITIONED ENVIRONS ARE MADE TO FACE THE DEVICES OF DEATH RUSHING TOWARDS THEM
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